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	<title>Comments on: Kooky reprint</title>
	<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/</link>
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		<title>By: mili</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>mili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote short encyclopedia entries for religious fundamentalisms, Islamic feminisms, and Irshad Manji...none of which I was fully happy with.  (OK, the Manji one was pretty straightforward, although I didn't get to argue with her, which was hard because her book made me argumentative.)  The real problem was that dealing with any of these issues is way too complex for an encyclopedia article.  How could I talk about Islamic feminisms in 500 words, and a) take apart the Western myths of Islam as the supreme woman-hating religion while still talking about the issues of gender discrimination both in sharia and in the many geographically/culturally diverse cultures influenced by Islam b) differentiate between secular and religious Islamic feminisms without reducing either of them to a meaningless parody c) deal with the sticky issue of *Islamist* feminisms, which don't really fit on anyone's map and d) use as few specialized terms as possible for an audience with no background in Islamic studies, postcolonialism, or even feminism?  Oh, and I know almost nothing about Christian fundmanetalism, and considering this thing is being published in the US, that's probably what people want to know about.  (Totally punted that one and talked about the BJP and the Ikhwan instead.)  Sigh.

In any case, people seem really excited about the encylopedia on gender studies listservs--although maybe this is just second-wave women trying to teach third-wave women and struggling with knowing what anyone is talking about, and glad for a codification of things.  I'm glad to know they're pulling things from Yentl's Revenge, though, and if they asked for entries on Islamic feminism, etc, they're probably pulling writings by Islamic feminists, and so are getting a broad grouping of things... so we can hope it'll be good.  Who knows.

ciao,
Emily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote short encyclopedia entries for religious fundamentalisms, Islamic feminisms, and Irshad Manji&#8230;none of which I was fully happy with.  (OK, the Manji one was pretty straightforward, although I didn&#8217;t get to argue with her, which was hard because her book made me argumentative.)  The real problem was that dealing with any of these issues is way too complex for an encyclopedia article.  How could I talk about Islamic feminisms in 500 words, and a) take apart the Western myths of Islam as the supreme woman-hating religion while still talking about the issues of gender discrimination both in sharia and in the many geographically/culturally diverse cultures influenced by Islam b) differentiate between secular and religious Islamic feminisms without reducing either of them to a meaningless parody c) deal with the sticky issue of *Islamist* feminisms, which don&#8217;t really fit on anyone&#8217;s map and d) use as few specialized terms as possible for an audience with no background in Islamic studies, postcolonialism, or even feminism?  Oh, and I know almost nothing about Christian fundmanetalism, and considering this thing is being published in the US, that&#8217;s probably what people want to know about.  (Totally punted that one and talked about the BJP and the Ikhwan instead.)  Sigh.</p>
<p>In any case, people seem really excited about the encylopedia on gender studies listservs&#8211;although maybe this is just second-wave women trying to teach third-wave women and struggling with knowing what anyone is talking about, and glad for a codification of things.  I&#8217;m glad to know they&#8217;re pulling things from Yentl&#8217;s Revenge, though, and if they asked for entries on Islamic feminism, etc, they&#8217;re probably pulling writings by Islamic feminists, and so are getting a broad grouping of things&#8230; so we can hope it&#8217;ll be good.  Who knows.</p>
<p>ciao,<br />
Emily</p>
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		<title>By: Danya</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Danya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Emily--

Congrats on the contributor thang.  What did you write about?

They told me it was for the ca. 1/05 pub, so maybe it is going in the first volume?  Or maybe I'm just confused?  I don't know.  

Anyway, thanks for coming by this way, please keep commenting and such...

d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Emily&#8211;</p>
<p>Congrats on the contributor thang.  What did you write about?</p>
<p>They told me it was for the ca. 1/05 pub, so maybe it is going in the first volume?  Or maybe I&#8217;m just confused?  I don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for coming by this way, please keep commenting and such&#8230;</p>
<p>d</p>
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		<title>By: mili</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>mili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: the Encyclopedia--

So I'm a contributor to volume 1, and what they've just told me is that they're about to send it out to be turned into galleys.  So I think they're just being way unclear about what stage they're in.  As far as I know publication, like on-paper publication, is next Jan.  Unless they're planning on putting out vol 2 before vol 1, which would be wack.

I also started visiting b/c of the Bitch article--really excellent piece--

peace,
emily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: the Encyclopedia&#8211;</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m a contributor to volume 1, and what they&#8217;ve just told me is that they&#8217;re about to send it out to be turned into galleys.  So I think they&#8217;re just being way unclear about what stage they&#8217;re in.  As far as I know publication, like on-paper publication, is next Jan.  Unless they&#8217;re planning on putting out vol 2 before vol 1, which would be wack.</p>
<p>I also started visiting b/c of the Bitch article&#8211;really excellent piece&#8211;</p>
<p>peace,<br />
emily</p>
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		<title>By: Danya</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Danya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Ivy--

Thanks for your nice words!  Yeah, getting dressed can be a complicated thing in this world.  Lucky for some of us, it's also a great form of entertainment.  ;-)

As for the contributor q, I'll make sure to answer it in my post about getting one's writing out there, as soon as I'm not being swallowed whole by finals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Ivy&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for your nice words!  Yeah, getting dressed can be a complicated thing in this world.  Lucky for some of us, it&#8217;s also a great form of entertainment.  <img src='http://danyaruttenberg.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
As for the contributor q, I&#8217;ll make sure to answer it in my post about getting one&#8217;s writing out there, as soon as I&#8217;m not being swallowed whole by finals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

This is rather irrelevant to your blog entry, but I recently read your article in "Bitch" magazine's Winter 2005 issue and I wanted to say I was really impressed. It was interesting to hear about your experiences and also to consider the ways in which dress, particularly religious dress, is understood so differently depending on where one goes. As you pointed out by saying that wearing pants in Jerusalem marked you as secular while wearing a skirt made people think you were Orthodox, we tend to have very strong cultural messages about who someone is based just on her outfit. As a non-religious person who dresses in modest clothes due to my upbringing by Muslim nannies and the like, I am often asked if I am either fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. Funny the way we attempt to categorise people, hmmm?

I found your point about feeling your heart "unfolds and opens" when you untuck your tzitzit to be especially interesting. I do think that how we dress is an expression of who we are and being asked to stifle that, in any situation, does not usually yield happy results. 

As a side note, how did you come to be a contributor to the magazine? I notice that "Bitch" has a wide variety of people who write and articles they feature, which is one of the main reasons I buy the publication. Anyway, I appreciated your article and thought I ought to tell you so. 

Ivy 
ivy@tm.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This is rather irrelevant to your blog entry, but I recently read your article in &#8220;Bitch&#8221; magazine&#8217;s Winter 2005 issue and I wanted to say I was really impressed. It was interesting to hear about your experiences and also to consider the ways in which dress, particularly religious dress, is understood so differently depending on where one goes. As you pointed out by saying that wearing pants in Jerusalem marked you as secular while wearing a skirt made people think you were Orthodox, we tend to have very strong cultural messages about who someone is based just on her outfit. As a non-religious person who dresses in modest clothes due to my upbringing by Muslim nannies and the like, I am often asked if I am either fundamentalist Christian or Muslim. Funny the way we attempt to categorise people, hmmm?</p>
<p>I found your point about feeling your heart &#8220;unfolds and opens&#8221; when you untuck your tzitzit to be especially interesting. I do think that how we dress is an expression of who we are and being asked to stifle that, in any situation, does not usually yield happy results. </p>
<p>As a side note, how did you come to be a contributor to the magazine? I notice that &#8220;Bitch&#8221; has a wide variety of people who write and articles they feature, which is one of the main reasons I buy the publication. Anyway, I appreciated your article and thought I ought to tell you so. </p>
<p>Ivy<br />
<a href="mailto:%69%76%79%40%74%6D%2E%6E%65%74"><span id="emob-vil@gz.arg-15">ivy {at} tm(.)net</span><script type="text/javascript">
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		<title>By: amechad</title>
		<link>http://danyaruttenberg.net/2005/01/25/kooky-reprint/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>amechad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aah, bad things about having 2 windows open at once (and I was once tech-savvy), I accidentally posted this in your EJ post from November:

Thanks. And totally understand about the finals. Just had my last one and now I have papers to write. Oh yay. I don'tthink I'll be leaving my apartment besides on Shabbat for a while. But then again, what's new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aah, bad things about having 2 windows open at once (and I was once tech-savvy), I accidentally posted this in your EJ post from November:</p>
<p>Thanks. And totally understand about the finals. Just had my last one and now I have papers to write. Oh yay. I don&#8217;tthink I&#8217;ll be leaving my apartment besides on Shabbat for a while. But then again, what&#8217;s new?</p>
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