Comments on: a bissel more Torah http://danyaruttenberg.net/2004/09/24/a-bissel-more-torah/ Danya Ruttenberg's website Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:49:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Danya http://danyaruttenberg.net/2004/09/24/a-bissel-more-torah/#comment-76 Danya Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:36:00 +0000 http://danyaruttenberg.net/2004/09/24/a-bissel-more-torah/#comment-76 Well, I guess we assume that the later accomodations didn't reflect the ideal as described in the Torah. And anyway, in what sense does the goat not return? Physical, right? I think about Rambam's assertion that the only way to make perfect tshuvah is to return to the exact same situation as the original misdeed and to choose a different path. How, then, does one know that one will return to a situation just like the first one? Because, if you haven't really fully resolved the issue, you will find a way to return to that situation, again and again, until you have. So too wtih the goat--kill him off a thousand different ways, and he'll still somehow show up again. BTW, what language is in your sig? And what does it mean? (I have a guess, but guesses aren't always the best way to translate. ;-) Well, I guess we assume that the later accomodations didn’t reflect the ideal as described in the Torah. And anyway, in what sense does the goat not return? Physical, right? I think about Rambam’s assertion that the only way to make perfect tshuvah is to return to the exact same situation as the original misdeed and to choose a different path. How, then, does one know that one will return to a situation just like the first one? Because, if you haven’t really fully resolved the issue, you will find a way to return to that situation, again and again, until you have. So too wtih the goat–kill him off a thousand different ways, and he’ll still somehow show up again.

BTW, what language is in your sig? And what does it mean? (I have a guess, but guesses aren’t always the best way to translate. ;-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://danyaruttenberg.net/2004/09/24/a-bissel-more-torah/#comment-75 Anonymous Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:07:00 +0000 http://danyaruttenberg.net/2004/09/24/a-bissel-more-torah/#comment-75 But how does this fit in to the later versions of the ‘Azazeil ritual, when, since there was no longer any sufficiently close truly Wild space left (ancient suburban sprawl?) they had to resort to throwing the goat off the cliff, to make sure (quite gorily) that it wouldn't come back? -Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) But how does this fit in to the later versions of the ‘Azazeil ritual, when, since there was no longer any sufficiently close truly Wild space left (ancient suburban sprawl?) they had to resort to throwing the goat off the cliff, to make sure (quite gorily) that it wouldn’t come back?

-Steg (dos iz nit der šteg)

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